New to MUFON

[francisco]

Hello friends,

I have seen a certain level of professionalism and real science since my earliest exposure to MUFON lore ... so I think it's time to join, after all, any organization is as good (or as bad) as its active members. I am not new to the UFO field; witnessed several in Puerto Rico flap (circa 1969). Possibly changed the course of my life. I was 14 years old. Report is in NUFORC (July, 1969: San Juan [gray oval objects in daytime]). I have a profound interest in astronomy and physics -- and attempting to write a book or two on the subject. Not gullible by any means, yet, I believe (due to the enormity of space and its trillions of suns) that it is foolish to think we are alone. Notwithstanding, the insurmountably of travel must rely on incredibly advanced intelligence -- possibly having evolved beyond biology into AI. We may be visited by many such civilizations. Unfortunately the possible exo-cultural/consciousness gap is so great as to prohibit contact. Imagine an early human sitting in a modern day bus, looking at the downtown NYC skyline! And that is just 7,000,000 years -- how could we ever interact with beings 7,000,000,000 years more advanced! Such ideas may explain the weirdness of so many sightings, and the fact that they have not contacted us. Anyway -- here I am -- trying to find a mental home.

FLG

[francisco]

The one huge barrier to joining MUFON was (is) its Abductee network. I have some serious doubts about the entire phenomena, here's why (and yes, I am a very opinionated): Ambiguity is a human defense -- and our ET friends know this; many if not all sightings include a level of ambivalence, even my own sightings. Traveling along established air-lanes, blinking lights, and so on, create, for the observer, a measure of healthy doubt (was it an IFO?). Why is that important to ET? Well, it has to do with our human limits: our reality; to have, as a civilization a premature 'certainty' is dangerous. While some of us are OK with it, most of humanity will have a negative reaction (what about spiritual beliefs? will reality be forever altered by what ET has discovered in the areas of religion & philosophy?). The scoffers, the skeptics, and nay-sayers are all part of the process of acceptance -- after all -- it is our holistic human sphere that is involved. Aside from what I mentioned in my previous post, this matter also, is problematic for contact.

I believe the Abduction phenomena is an unwanted symptom, let me explain. After many years of reading up on these cases I conclude that the foundational cases (the cases, such as the Hill's abduction) are cases where people have had an absolute exposure -- they saw craft up close, maybe even seen its occupants -- but such absoluteness wrecks havoc in our sense of reality and the constructs of our "truth". Unable to digest this our human psyche quickly buries this.

These experiencers (and I use the term tactfully here) continue their lives in a post-traumatic bubble -- and are subject to self-misinterpretation of what they actually saw, and later, if mishandled by well intentioned therapists, can bring forth false memories of the events. Now, I am a firm believer in the reality of ET, and their daily visits, but as a person with a strong psychological background I am satisfied that the level of neo-Freudian content (sexual probings, intercourse, and a sense of powerlessness) is a psychological phenomena, rather than actual abductions.

I write this as not to offend anyone who believes otherwise, but feel that as a new member of MUFON other alternatives should be welcomed as well -- anyone out there agree? It is not my place to judge, only to observe.

These foundational cases are those cases which are used by others to build a theses; secondary (& tertiary) cases involve folks who have never seen a UFO, but who, as a matter of childhood abuse, neglect, or atypical mental state easily buy-into the phenomena as a means to make sense of past trauma -- to find meaning howbeit strangely. (The Tertiary ones pertain to hoaxers and folks who invent stories to facilitate some personal agenda). The key element to both the foundational, and the secondary experiencer is some form of buried trauma.

As the day looms when ET will become common belief, such phenomena (abductions) will continue to be symptoms of the erosion of our perceived reality. To minimize that ET will increase its presence, and continue to "shield us" with the inherent built-in ambivalence of their visits. And that can be frustrating for those of us who don't need it -- who can eat meat, and not have to drink baby's milk (as it says in the bible about true doctrine). The goal is to saturate our cultural mind, inducing dialog (the testimony of credible people). the SETI program will probably be utilized by them at some point, providing us with a sense of 'control' -- lessening fear, and opening a channel of direct communication (but revealing little of their own culture or beliefs). That immediate phase (I think) will occur in less than fifty years, but could last several more decades (just a guess). though nuclear or climate catastrophe could shorten this (my) estimate. Ultimately, and I could not guess here at all, we will be open enough (as a whole human race) to have TRUE first contact.

FLG

[francisco]

These are very important topics and I welcome discussion --

FLG

[francisco]

More Thoughts:

That whole "grays" thing bothers me too. Sure, its logical. Red dwarf stars are small, and a small planet within the "habitable" zone would have enough sunlight to sustain life. These red stars are very old, some are estimated to be close to 12 billion years old (compared to Earth's 4.5 billion). Maybe beings from such places may be smaller (if their home world has less gravity than Earth), and, perhaps, their eyes need to be larger to compensate for less intense light -- brains also larger due to evolution. So there might be some that look exactly like that. I know it's part & parcel of our UFO co-culture, but still it bothers me. It is a bias. We don't know what's out there!

And really, should it matter?

Some day, once the thrill is gone, that fantastic honeymoon where all our curiosity will be satisfied; where the million questions, as to what things look like, will be over. Then what? All that will do is shore-up our basic understandings of physics, science, and our concepts of creative form & style. Such thrilling knowledge, even if it includes unimaginably fantastic technologies, will fade. The true treasure is found in what it all means! And it is that, my friends, that moves intelligent conscious life forward. Why should they hang around our wasted world -- whose beauty is tarnished by greed, ignorance, and fear? If you had a choice, would you vacation in New Jersey, or in Hawaii? Money often dictates that, but if money was no object you would be sipping a sweet rum drink under a palm tree. Why then, with virtually unlimited powers (to travel beyond the speed of light) do our ET friends hang around here? There surely must be millions of worlds like Earth, in every stage of biological evolution -- and beauty. Some say they are curious, but that is doubtful.

"Been there -- done that" is their motto!

I'm writing about the enigma: is there a shared culture among them? A common Credo? Codex? I believe so. And it may not be about "law" at all, but about the ramifications of our universally shared consciousness -- a shared field of experience we know little about (see Emergence Theory). I believe they are here to help us -- not just altruistically -- but that in helping us they are somehow helping themselves (or "us" universally). Some karmic-like cycles must exist, and it includes us, probably because of our conscious grasp. Experimental physicist John Bell put it succinctly (he is the man credited by proving that 'instantaneous action at a distance' is a fact): "the meaning of my discovery will not be the debated as much by scientists, as by philosophers" (paraphrased). We are so ego-centrist in our thinking; we think "them", when we should be thinking "us"; we believe our world's spacial isolation prohibits sharing the intimate reality we humans perceive and consider unique: as Bell hints, that concept will someday be outdated. Quantum effects & Emergence theory hint at a universe united in profound ways beyond its purely physical limits. It is these possibilities that terrify us as humans. Extra-terrestrials may know this (and I don't like the term that much [sorry]).

These new ideas are frightening -- representing the core of who we REALLY are: the REAL unknown. We would rather hide within predictable off-the-wall biases ("Grays" intent on extracting our sperm, when, in actuality, they could clone us from some speck of floating dander high up in the stratosphere, or locate some associated [similar looking] civilization to mediate contact. But it may not be as much about Contact than about Awakening).

Is it the REAL unknown that we are shunning? The very birth of everything we have ever longed for, as expressed through our most cherished notions of religious belief; the very longing of a universe which may be "aware of its own existence" (read a book by David Chalmers). Not religious spirituality, but scientific spirituality: not what some dare call 'truth' but 'truth' itself. A counterintuitive 'place' where existentialism may meet meaning and belief -- not creationism, but emergent evolution.

Yet -- like a maltreated dog -- we run from these ideas that could make the transition faster, painless -- how can we utilize the scientific method when the object of our inquiry is as elusive as a mythical unicorn? Yet, we, as members of this body pledge to follow scientific inquiry -- like trying to catch a greased piglet -- it is virtually impossible! However -- we must try and not venture down some side alley. I have no issue with Abduction as a possibility -- but we must examine it with a broader lens, not the myopic microscope of our limited (and biased) viewpoints. Are we still clinging to creature-fears, and/or the idea of some kind of universal malice? Not criticism here, just a call to truly be "scientists", as is the MUFON mission statement. I write this without any inkling as to the replies these posts will generate. This "island" (message board) is deserted for now, but soon somebody will eye this and leave a comment or two -- hopefully several of you. I believe the things I have written are HUGE topics, and need to be included in our dialog or we will be left behind in some pseudo-scientific backwater. As I said, I'm new to MUFON but not new to Ufology -- where I was immersed, like a child thrown into a swimming pool to sink or to swim.

Once I dared to accept what I saw that clear day in San Juan I could only go this route (as a person of intelligence and logic). And I think I reflect in some way, all people who would dare join an organization such as this one -- and risk the ridicule of friends and family.

But we know, we'll have the last laugh.

FLG

[francisco]

Feel free to email me:

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My web site is:

www.yourstreetcollege.org

PS:

I am working on several books (both fiction and non-fiction) that tackle head-on these topics -- including our shared Consciousness, Emergence, and the Meaning of the UFO Exposure. They will be published under my own publishing house (as self published works). If you have an interest in these, peruse my web site for more information (Yourstreetcollege.org: Street College Press). I am not trying to make money, but to promote important ideas relating to ufology.

[geonav1]

I've just joined today, though have been a fan for a long time. I'm 53 and live about 45 miles west of Harford.

I've seen UFOs twice in my life- and sent in reports to MUFON about them a few years ago.
1 - In Jacksonville, FL in the later 1960s (I was a child), around 8:00pm at night. Near Imeson Airport, I saw a black triangular object cruising slowly from North to South, and spinning very slowly. The 3 corners had typical nav light- red, green and white. My mother, who was driving, refused to look and would only look straight ahead to the road. I have retraced the route of the UFO using Google Maps, from its perspective, but gained no additional insight. It was probably at about 500 feet altitude.

2 - In San Juan, PR (Isla Verde, on the shore, 15 stories high, to be exact, facing north), summer 1976. One night at 4:00am, I fully awoke and sat up in bed- looed out my window to the north. Saw a light hovering way out from shore(a few miles- 5?) at probably 1000 feet altitude. It then began moving quickly to the West. It was a pretty clear night but there was one puffy cloud (medium sized), that it shot into. There was a scoop-out area in the cloud- interestingly, the open space grew in brightness, the light shot across the gap, and as it entered that part of the cloud on the left side of the gap, the brightness in the open area diminished- like you would expect. I never saw the light emerge from the cloud.

That's it- glad to be here!

[billct]

Hi francisco,
I agree with many of your thoughts. A good level of professionalism and training is needed in the ufology field, esp. or FIs. We need to bring it all to a higher level -- esp. in the general public's eyes.
Scientific ufology is the best pathway.

[jeff]

Hello everyone,
I'm also new to MUFON as a member, but have been immersed in UFO's since I was a child.
I have read francisco's posts, and although he is very well read and respectable, I disagree with his disertations that abductions aren't real, and that somehow our own human pysche is creating these false assumptions, rather than dealing with whatever trauma we may or may not have had happen in our lives. He also seems to give a list of reasons as to the "grey's"
thinking based on human assumptions, namely that they must be so advanced they don't need to do any experimentations on actual humans because they could simply clone us from dust-spects, etc. high in the sky? You can't be serious.
With all due-respect, as someone who's family has a history of actual, close-up sightings and as a ufo-abductee, I am in complete disagreement with those views.
I didn't dream-up my abduction, and didn't use my upbringing as an excuse for what happened. As a matter of fact, my neighbor independently confirmed what was happening to me the night I was abducted, and didn't even realize it!
So please, if it is only your opinion you are expressing, then great, we all have them, and this is the place to discuss them. I appreciate and respect all opinions. I guess mine are a little stronger due to my own personal experiences.
Thanks

[mastmate]

Hello, I am a new member as well and would suggest that anyone who has doubts about the validity of abductions investigate the work of the psychiatrist John Mack who had his doubts as well until he began to work with some of these people which led to his writing his book ABDUCTION Human Encounters with Aliens .
I live in Rockland Maine and would be interested in hosting a discussion group. If anyone is interested email me at [e-mail]---------thanks--- gary

[ibelieve]

I was inspired to create an account tonight after seeing Larry king's show featuring Dan Akroyd, Michiu Kaku, Steven Hawking, and so on. I really enjoyed Mr. Akroyd's enthusiasm and his mentioning of MUFON. Too bad it was Larry King's show, because he devotes so little time to really discuss what Mr Akroyd obviously wanted to. Anyhow, I've had one strange sighting of a UFO that was baffling to me that I wanted to report but knew I would feel foolish afterward. My hat is off to the truly brave people that do report their sightings. I wish I knew why this subject is treated with such arrogance by the so called smart people. Ever since I was a small boy I've always been fascinated by the possibility that we are not alone in the universe. Through the years vie seen so many compelling stories, videos, pictures, and testimonials from incredibly reliable people that it baffles my mind that the "smart ones" really believe what they're trying to feed us. -I will always believe and look forward to the day I might see total proof before my time is up on this earth

[ibelieve]

I've read a lot of books on this subject and just have a recommendation if anyone is interested. This guy really is fascinating to me. Read (Behold a Pale Horse, by William (Bill) Cooper). Wow, Wow, what an eye opener.

[kmb080]

Hello all My Name is Kevin and I live in Connecticut and new to MUFON. I have had a passing interest in UFO's for years. My background is 32 years in the electric utility industry, 34 years as a Ham Radio operator, 10 years a seasonal Lake Patrol Officer and when I was a child my big interest was astronomy. I have never seen anything unusual in the sky over the years although my wife has was well as a co-worker. However I did have an unusual experience in Maine about 10 years ago.........

I was deer hunting at my cousins place in Turner Maine. He and his family own 60 acres of wooded land with few close by neighbors and his home is 300 feet from the road. It was mid November about 11pm. My cousin and I were sitting on his back porch facing a little west of north just having coffee, a smoke, shooting the breeze. We were wrapped up in blankets as it was about 25 degrees F. The area that we were looking at was a small field (perhaps 125 feet wide) then a tree line at the back of the field. Of course it was pitch dark but after 10 years of hunting his land I knew the land like the back of my hand. After sitting and BSing for a while I noticed a light or a glow behind the trees that was like a panoramic view of perhaps 200 ft wide.( The glow was like the glow from the new headlights on cars nowdays) The trees at the wood line stood out in contrast to the back-drop light. I did not give it much thought at first but I realized that there was a gully beyond the tree line and then the property started a slow decent down the mountian and there was no homes or any thing else that I could think of that would be a light soruce. It was not the lights of a car or truck as the area in question was only passable by foot. Anyway I asked my cousin if he saw what i did and he said yes with no sense of alarm. I asked if he ever saw anything like that before to which he also said yes with no sense of urgency. I said some to the effect of"what the hell is that then since there is no way that I can think of that there would be a light source there" My cousin then said " ya wanna go look" to which i replied in the negative. aww come on was his reply but I chose to err on the side of caution and said no. The next day I spent a good part of the day walking down the area where i figured the light was coming from but found nothing but there are a lot of woods back in his "north 40" I dont recall he and I discussing the incident again. Oh, I never heard any noise coming from the woods that night either. So although not a UFO story per se, what I saw that night defied all logic.

[kmb080]

Oh BTW, the light seemed to be coming from the ground and not from the sky. It was a steady glow with no pulsating, movement or change in color. We headed inside about an hour later and the glow was still there. I did not see it during the remainder of my visit but when I did a little wandering at night in the woods after that I carried a powerful flash light, a walkie talkie and my 9MM automatic pistol! Has anyone else ever seen anything like this?

[kmb080]

Just a foot note to my postings- My cousin and I have not spoken to one another in about 3 years now-a family thing. I spent a week or 2 hunting at his place every November from 1993 to 2005. He was not known for pranks or practical jokes. He was just about totally recovered from a tragic car accident at the time of the sighting and would not have slowed up his healing process by romping around the woods setting up lights that he could illuminate on cue for the purpose of scaring the begeezus out of me . His land was posted and he allowed no one on his land. He was VERY protective of his family. This is the part that got me the most - he was not in anyway alarmed by what we saw. That in and of itself just adds mystery to my story.

[stevenjones57]

Greetings! I am an ET Contact Experiencer from the UK. In the month of July of 2011 I will be based in the beautiful town of Newport, Rhode Island to promote my new book, An Invitation To The Dance: The Awakening of the Extended Human Family, which will be available to purchase through Amazon by the beginning of January. The book is a chronological document of my contact experiences over the last 48 years and also explores a number of associated subjects that I believe are relevant to the subject of ET contact.
I am available to talk about my experiences throughout the New England area during the whole of July 2011 and would invite any MUFON chapter or UFO group or, in fact, anybody who would like to hear me talk about my ET contact experiences to contact me and set a date.
To have a little taster of who I am here is my Blog address and also my YouTube address:

aninvitationtothedancersvp.blogspot.com
www.youtube.com/user/stevenjones57

My direct email address for contact: [e-mail]

Finally, I include a brief bio of my history:


Steven is a modern-day ET Contact Experiencer: no longer the confused and powerless Abductee, but an empowered participator in the extraordinary events that remain such an important and profound part of his life. After nearly an unbelievable 50 years of ET contact he is now able to assist others like him to move through the barrier that restricts so many from understanding what Contact really is.
Through perfect recall and in great detail Steven will guide you through a landscape of contact events with several types of ET. From early Contact experiences seen through the innocent eyes of childhood to the young adult whose perspective of events was unavoidably influenced by the world he lived in, Steven will safely deliver you via a roller-coaster ride of experiences that ultimately inspired his adult years. Even die-hard skeptics will have a problem dismissing the details of so many of the experiences that Steven has been through.
As we all head towards 2012 with a mixture of apprehension and anticipation, Steven will share the knowledge that has been passed on to him by the ETs and explain how we might begin to re-evaluate our position as caring and responsible human beings, not only as residents of the planet Earth, but as universal citizens within the cosmos.
On this challenging journey of discovery we will begin to understand what the purpose of ET Contact has been, how we might consider responding to it and hopefully to identify who the ETs actually are. In doing so Steven will give you a glimpse into a point of view that goes beyond the usual belief systems about extraterrestrial reality, to give you valuable insight to make up your own mind about what this mystery actually means.
Steven Jones is both a convincing and credible speaker, and once you’ve heard him, you’ll be able to decide what part you want to play in the events that are now unfolding.

Steven’s book, An Invitation To The Dance – The Awakening of the Extended Human Family, will be available through Amazon.com and all good book sellers from January 2011.

Steven is extremely proud and fortunate to have a group of people from the UFO/ET community that he can call his friends and would be available to provide a testimonial with regards to his professional and personal character:

Leslie Kean (Author, investigative journalist and researcher)
Bob Brown (International UFO Congress)
Paola Harris(International UFO Congress)
Leslie Kean (Author and Investigator)
Budd Hopkins (The Intruders Foundation)
Mary Rodwell (Investigator and author)
Barbra Lamb (Investigator and author)
Debbie Kauble (ET Experiencer)
Peter Robbins (Investigator and Author)
Marius Dekker (Investigator and Experiencer)
Catrine O'Neil (UFO Academy, UK)
Harry Challenger (Editor, Flying Saucer Review)
Malcolm Robinson (UFO Matrix Magazine)